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Old 12-04-2005, 04:18 PM   #91
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What about the fact that asian people have small peepee's?
That is the only exception...
 
Old 12-04-2005, 05:08 PM   #92
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No, they don't. That's the problem. They are genetically very distant from each other - more distant from each other, in some cases, than either is from a Mongol.
I think there is probably a group in Africa that can beat whites as a group at shot putting. I don't know that, of course, but I'm betting with the odds in my favor.
Now I don't know about that. I definitely agree with you that if we were going to come up with more scientific groupings instead of just using socially defined race groups (which I think are mostly flawed, but even so have some things that can be said about them), that Africa would have to have many more groups within it than Europe. You have to admit that your example where you say that there are groups in Africa that are more different from eachother than they are from the Mongolian population is an exaggeration though. It would very hard to find two points in Africa that are more different from eachother than they are from Mongolia, and impossible find a population that didnt have some direct desendance from another group in Africa making them more alike in that way. It just wouldn't make sence for them to be more different from eachother than from a group that far away and that isolated from them.

I don't agree with the shotput thing either. As a general rule, you are right, for any given skill there is more likely to be a group in Africa that is more specialized in it than in Europe, just because of their greater genetic diversity. It's just that A. europeans, especially those from the north are very well physically build to have great upper body strength, in fact so much, that I wouldn't expect anyone else from any area besides there to be so specialized for that one physical ability and B. if there was a group in Africa that had that had an advantage over them in weight lifting, we would probably be seeing them in the events, as we are seeing Kenyans in marathons now.

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I'm in general sympathy, but that happens to be false for humans - there are some fairly small areas of great genetic diversity, such as Namibia/Angola, and some very large areas of less, such as Asia, with humans.
Alright, I have to admit you are right there. It would make sence for areas that people had inhabited for longer periods of time or areas that people were more isolated from eachother socially or by landscape to have even more genetic diversity than just looking at distance in miles between the groups would predict.
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I for one believe there are superiorities among race. I define superiorities as having control. Using life as example superiorities is having dominance. In addition, it is obvious that the Caucasian race is dominant. Not to say that this race is better than the next, they just have rein over the majority currently.

Another issue that came up was race equality. As much as we would like that ideal aspect in life, it is simply false. One cannot look at the assortment of people and claim we are all the same, because we are not.

The main problem among the African-America race is education. My people are not educated enough, and it is mainly the community’s fault. When we continue to perpetuate and enforce ideals that are not conducive to our community *sports, rap, pimping*.

To comment on statement someone said, that we only do this to get out of the ghetto is not necessarily true. First black live in the ghetto, they only make an up a small percentage of African-American community, the majority of us make up the middle class. And yet these small people in the middle class still choose to be in sports and the rapping industry, so like I mentioned before it’s education that’s missing in our criteria.

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I for one believe there are superiorities among race. I define superiorities as having control. Using life as example superiorities is having dominance. In addition, it is obvious that the Caucasian race is dominant. Not to say that this race is better than the next, they just have rein over the majority currently.

Another issue that came up was race equality. As much as we would like that ideal aspect in life, it is simply false. One cannot look at the assortment of people and claim we are all the same, because we are not.

The main problem among the African-America race is education. My people are not educated enough, and it is mainly the community’s fault. When we continue to perpetuate and enforce ideals that are not conducive to our community *sports, rap, pimping*.

To comment on statement someone said, that we only do this to get out of the ghetto is not necessarily true. First black live in the ghetto, they only make an up a small percentage of African-American community, the majority of us make up the middle class. And yet these small people in the middle class still choose to be in sports and the rapping industry, so like I mentioned before it’s education that’s missing in our criteria.

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Now, try and back up everything you just said...

Its not African Americans that are not getting a good education, its poor communities that are not getting enough eudcation. The only reason that poor communities are more commonly made up of minorities, is because white people have put them there, because they believed they were "superior" and "different" from them. If that idea did not put minorities into those poor communities, a black person would be 100% as capable as a white person, visa versa.

Soltution---Get rid of these racist ideas that skin color makes someone different, and make schools in poor communities better, along with the communities themselves. That way, every body rich and poor get a chance at a good environment and equal education.

Problem is, you still correlate color with capability. That only works most of the time. Why not correlate capability with capability. That works 100% of the time. But I guess that would make too much sense...

Here is a question I pose to you, that I posted in another thread which no one answered, that I expect you to answer: Why do we judge based off of skin color? Why not hair color, eye color, or even whether has an overbite or underbite, or their height, etc? Why do we choose skin color? It is only a physical feature out of that list, why it is a better way of judging than the others?
 
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Here is a question I pose to you, that I posted in another thread which no one answered, that I expect you to answer: Why do we judge based off of skin color? Why not hair color, eye color, or even whether has an overbite or underbite, or their height, etc? Why do we choose skin color? It is only a physical feature out of that list, why it is a better way of judging than the others?
Well that is easy to answer, because it's the most distinct difference in humans. It shows where we came from. The fact that our color is different evokes the curiousty, of why are different groups different, which then of course evolves into "Are we better because we are this color or worst?". No one wants to be the "worst" so we develop a pride about where we came from.
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Well that is easy to answer, because it's the most distinct difference in humans. It shows where we came from. The fact that our color is different evokes the curiousty, of why are different groups different, which then of course evolves into "Are we better because we are this color or worst?". No one wants to be the "worst" so we develop a pride about where we came from.
Its distiction is understandable. I accepot that part of your answer.

However, if you are going to develop pride about where you came from, then DEVELOP PRIDE FOR WHERE YOU CAME FROM, NOT THE COLOR OF THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THERE. Once against, its a be right 60% of the time or be right 100% of the time issue.
 
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